(團購)關於M52TU及M54 VANOS 內部漏油~ 2009/10/2 新增總成震動修裡包

[可樂果]

boxy大大
我補匯了 帳號後五碼73668 ，我老婆真的匯錯帳戶了，真希望要的回來。

[小雞]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/06/26 01:36pm 發表的內容：
現本團購已截止並準備訂出.
現有收到幾筆電匯, 但可能是銀行作業原因, 無法確認其匯出帳號後五碼. 在此寫上帳戶名請報名並匯款的車友認領一下, 謝謝:
林志益 $2100 萬泰銀行
謝文喜 $2100 郵政儲
...

BOXY大大~謝文喜那個是我匯的＾＾[br][br]-=-=-=-=- 以下內容由 小雞 在 2008年06月26日 09:10pm 時新增 -=-=-=-=-
34.小雞 E46.04年320I. 應該是M54雙可變吧.數量:1..寄台南 (已匯款．金額2100..末五碼54583..郵局)
謝謝∼

[老狼]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/06/26 01:36pm 發表的內容：
現本團購已截止並準備訂出.
現有收到幾筆電匯, 但可能是銀行作業原因, 無法確認其匯出帳號後五碼. 在此寫上帳戶名請報名並匯款的車友認領一下, 謝謝:
林志益 $2100 萬泰銀行
謝文喜 $2100 郵政儲
...

78164 6/23 12.54pm $1050 請告知您的暱稱, 匯款銀行以確認
真是對不起
我是老狼
用到我老婆的提款卡匯的, 78164那是我太太郭xx的上海商銀提款卡片
好險只是1050, 如果多一個零就會出事了 :em06:

[Boxy]

下面引用由老狼在 2008/06/26 09:11pm 發表的內容：
78164 6/23 12.54pm $1050 請告知您的暱稱, 匯款銀行以確認
真是對不起
我是老狼
用到我老婆的提款卡匯的, 78164那是我太太郭xx的上海商銀提款卡片
...

哈哈~ 沒事~ 多一個零小弟就先用來把酒買好, 等你來拿oring 時把酒一起幹掉~

[台灣阿成]

Boxy 大大~~
真是感謝你熱心ㄉ幫忙
請問1下~這O領大約會什麼時候到ㄋ
因為我大約在3-6天左右就要出港ㄌ~~
你會找不到人~~
只是怕說~~東西放在你那會不好意思~~
如果你可以藉我放ㄉ話~那就OK~
不行ㄉ話= =
休息快3各月ㄌ~該是賺錢ㄉ時候ㄌ~~

[Boxy]

美國賣orings 的網友留email 希望轉貼這謝謝各位車友對他產品的支持~
Hello everyone,
My name is Rajaie Qubain. I am the owner and president of Beisan Systems, the company that provides the BMW vanos seals.
I am pleased that you and your club have received the seals product so well. These seals repair the vanos hydraulic actuation function. This repairs the variable valve timing system which provides many performance improvements. These include: improved power, particularly in the lower end (< 3k RPM), smoother transition throughout the RPM range, resolution of bogging then surging at 3k RPM, resolution of low end (< 3k RPM) hesitations, improved fuel consumption, improved takeoffs from stop, quieter stronger idle, etc. VVT (variable valve timing) allows the engine to perform at optimal valve timing throughout the RPM range.
I am a BMW owner, 528i 2000. A friend and I (both engineers) had vanos problems with our cars. We worked together to diagnose the vanos problem. We presented our findings on a BMW E39 forum, http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39/7494631-2.html. I spent one year pursuing BMW to address the problem. My communications with BMW are documented in the post. BMW mislead me by indicating they were going to address the problem. After my persistence and some time, they actually confessed they had not intension of addressing the problem, http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39/7613395-2.html. I spent the next two years reverse engineering and testing a solution. I worked with many seals experts and companies. I launched a company, website, repair procedure, vanos forum, etc. I have spent an enormous amount of time, effort, and money to address this problem. I continue to work to provide and support the products. I am working on introducing new products to address other vanos unit failures.
The vanos piston seals are a two ring seal configuration. The outer ring is a Teflon seal. It provides low a friction surface that facilitates the reciprocation of the vanos piston. The inner ring is a Viton elastomer O-ring. It energizes (supports) the Teflon ring to facilitate a tight contact of the Teflon seal with the cylinder wall. The material choice for these seal rings is important. BMW chose Buna for the O-ring material. Unfortunately this material is not compatible with the engine environment. Teflon seals have fillers that provide increased resistance to wear and deformation. The i6 single and double vanos units are aluminum and an appropriate filler choice is important to assure not damaging the soft aluminum but still providing resistance to wear for long term use.
Roy (Boxy) has asked me to explain the source of the seals. There seems to be a question of whether the seals are manufactured in Taiwan. They are not manufactured in Taiwan.
The O-rings are a standard part and are easily sourced. The Teflon seals are a special part and need to be custom manufactured. They are made to a European standard. The Teflon seals I provide have the material molded in Europe then shipped to the US where it is machined on specially programmed CNC machines to achieve the very precise seals dimensions. This manufacturing is performed by a European company that is well versed in the manufacturing of this type of seal.
I would like to thank Roy(Boxy) for all his work in organizing the group buys. This takes great effort and is a service to everyone.
Thanks to all the owners for the purchase of the vanos seals products. I hope the seals provide you great performance improvements that will last the life of your car.
In solidarity with my fellow BMW owners,
Rajaie

[老狼]

Dear Rajaie
Thank you for your detail introduction of the O-Ring R & D history.
I believe all the club member will keep on supporting your idea forever.
A very junior club member : Richard

[Boxy]

下面引用由台灣阿成在 2008/06/26 11:21pm 發表的內容：
Boxy 大大~~
真是感謝你熱心ㄉ幫忙
請問1下~這O領大約會什麼時候到ㄋ
因為我大約在3-6天左右就要出港ㄌ~~
...

預計下周末或下下周時會收到. 等有提單號碼時會po 上來.
如果你有需要, 當然可以放在內湖修理廠, 他那會有明細的列表, 原則上一定要您去拿他才會放.

[Boxy]

下面引用由可樂果在 2008/06/26 08:36pm 發表的內容：
boxy大大
我補匯了 帳號後五碼73668 ，我老婆真的匯錯帳戶了，真希望要的回來。

了解~

[Boxy]

下面引用由台川小朱在 2008/06/26 06:41pm 發表的內容：
忘了匯~~~
末五碼~~51640~~~金額1050
對不起~~BOXY~大大~~

收到~

[Boxy]

本團購已結束並訂出, 匯款也已全數收到確認. 感謝各位的配合與即時更新資料!
只有一位車友沒有電匯, 24. 阿火
由於希望不要耽誤其他車友訂購的時間, 小弟實無法再等, 已將您的報名取消了 火哥 請多包涵~ (不過我記得你已經換過了, 省下的錢先去換電瓶跟輪胎啦~)
現預計一周至一周半後會收到oring, 小弟接到美國寄出通知後會繼續更新ETA, 並在抵達台灣之前的適當時間再請各位外縣市的車友PM 告知您需要的寄件地址. 原則上以到附寄出
若想對此美國網友提出問題, 請於此留言, 他會上來收集各位的反應. 換好後的差別, 如有任何問題, 也請貼在此. 小弟希望也給此網友一個參考. 若語言上需要翻譯, 請通知小第一聲.
謝謝!

[Kevin530]

Dear All,
I got O-ring today,
they look quite nice and professional.
The O-ring will be installed on E34 525 this afternoon.
After reading Rajaie';s explanation, I feel more confident of O-ring,
and also looking forward to installing it on my bimmer.
Further message will keep you informed.
Special thanks to Rajaie,
and looking forward to your other improved parts on Bimmer!!
Have a Nice weekend~! ^O^
BR,
Kevin 6/27/08';

[yuan]

下面引用由Kevin530在 2008/06/27 01:58pm 發表的內容：
Dear All,
I got O-ring today,
they look quite nice and professional.
The O-ring will be installed on E34 525 this afternoon.
...

oh why your o-ring';s color is different? mine is all black??

[Boxy]

Where and when did you get the ring from? Is it from any of the group buy?
Anything from the group buys should be outer-black inner-brown.

[sytl2003]

i am just wondering did you guys already got the ring from the second time group buys??

[Boxy]

Nope the second group buy ring shall not arrive in Taiwan within next 7~10 days. Rajaie is sending these out by mid-next week through express - He is at Florida Disney now.
Small Mao has brought and stock some orings from a domestic supplier in Taiwan. I wonder if yuan';s got these domestic parts through Mao thus of a different color.

[sytl2003]

OK...so is there any difference between domestic supplier than Rajaie';s?? obviously we can see the color of outer and inner ring are different, how about the quality and material ??

[Boxy]

Rajaie has confirmed that his ring is custom sourced from european/US - teflon /US supplier - rubber oring, which went through large numbers of actual fitment and durability tests by US forum members.
I do not know anything about the domestic part beyond a phone call from Mao.
Mao indicates he had the domestic supplier matched these parts from a speciment of the first group buy. Anyone interested in domestic rings should contact Mao for more details.
Regarding coloring, the original bruma ring came with OE Vanos units are black. I believe all Rajaie';s inner rings are of bronish color.
As you are aware colors are used by oring industries to identify product, purpose and application including thermo resistance, chemical resistance etc etc (For instant of air conditioning - R134 and R12 systems are using different colored rings).
To my believe i will be very careful to any part installed in a modern inner combustion engine, especially within a high heat, higher working temperature Bimmer engine which oftenly runs with rubber unfriendly fully synthelic oil. Bear in mind that this us a part to carry high oil pressure which must ensure no leaking at all time.
This is not to deny quality of domestic parts, sometimes domestic suppliers do come up with good product.
Personally I drive a German made BMW, I usually do not desire to use domestic made parts - Call me paranoid, it is totally fine for me - I only use proven parts those offer lower possibility to require replacement in a reasonable time frame - For me the labor cost to replace rings and parts needed to do so are many times costier than the ring itself shall it needs replacement again.

[yuan]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/06/28 05:01am 發表的內容：
Where and when did you get the ring from? Is it from any of the group buy?
Anything from the group buys should be outer-black inner-brown.

I got it from first group buy , someone help me buy it :em03:
Today I check my O-ring again and the color is the same as the photo showen above :em04: (outer-black inner-brown)
It might be something wrong with my eyes :em01: :em01:

[Boxy]

No problem... It means you have very powerful lighting at home~

[IronMan]

[/quote]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/06/29 01:28am 發表的內容：
No problem... It means you have very powerful lighting at home~

Boxy, you have good sense of humor.
啊現在是怎樣，規定要落英文囉?
雖然我都看得懂，但是很久沒用英文了，
我還是用中文寫好了。
關於O ring，我支持Boxy的觀點，
既然要"改裝"，當然是"升級"的改裝，
如果一組和原廠差不多的，
和另外一組或許稍貴一點但是功能更強的，
當然是選功能強的。
[br][br][color=#FFFF00]-=-=-=-=- 以下內容由 IronMan 在 2008年06月29日 02:01am 時新增 -=-=-=-=-[/color]

[Boxy]

老大.. 只是有問題, 就提小弟的了小弟的認知來分享一下 ~ 打英文比打中文快多了~ 別介意啦~
美國網友所賣的oring 是咖啡色的, Yuan 兄以為他買的內環是黑色的, 所以確認一下~ 原廠是黑色的, 如果是第一次團購時所買的, 就不應該是黑色的~
這個修理包功能在於回復原廠Vanos 設計的功能, 但小弟以為除了這個功能外, 更重要的是他要夠穩定.

[雄仔]

下面引用由boxy在 2008/04/21 00:15pm 發表的內容：
各位愛車上有搭載單Vanos M50/M52/S50/S52, 雙Vanos 的M52TU/M54車友請注意 - 團購 4/27 晚上9pm 結束
您車上引擎的汽門正時是由主電腦DME根據油門的深淺(引擎附載)及轉速去調整VANOS (無段可變汽門, 經由電　...

我也想買..怎麼聯絡..留個電話吧

[racing]

第二次團購已經結束了喔!!

[小呆平]

殘念!!還有第三次團夠嗎?有的話簡訊告訴我....拜託!!

[racing]

這可能需要集合廣大車友的念力,讓boxy大大要再發起團購 ,因為第二次團購也是說了好久才成功的,要不就要詢問毛董了

[Boxy]

Racing 兄, 別啦~ 如果這個發現有用, 一定會有專業的保養廠會跳出來自己去買~ 畢竟這個oring 單價很低, 保養廠可以賺賺服務工資
根據消息, 已經有台灣的保養廠託LA 友人在掃貨了 相信後來有需要的車友也能被滿足.
不過為了先服務本團購的車友, 本團購會優先到貨.
另 希望看到此篇的保養廠, 此Oring 為BMW 設計上的瑕疵, 既然已經有一些車友實際反映需求 也希望您能藉著此機會, 本著服務車友的心態去替車友更詳細的解決, 改善用車問題及節省金錢時間 並在過程中提升對車友服務的技術及維修品質. 畢竟, 好的生意絕對不是只打一砲.
謝謝!

[Boxy]

看沒有~

[racing]

恩這也是沒有錯!!我問問德翼看要不要備貨,如果願意的話在跟大家說

[拼圖]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/07/01 08:40pm 發表的內容：
看沒有~

再看上面

[小呆平]

下面引用由racing在 2008/07/01 08:54pm 發表的內容：
恩這也是沒有錯!!我問問德翼看要不要備貨,如果願意的話在跟大家說

那麻煩你囉..

[Boxy]

老大, 小弟也是看到國外網友Rajaie 所公布的發現才開始換用~ 不是Pioneer 啦~
希望能幫上有需要的車友~

[阿儒]

Boxy兄~搞些Performance products造福CCT的車友們!

[racing]

各位我問過德翼了,他那邊已訂貨50組還沒有到,所以可以先打電話去確定一下

[tsaicl]

因為我的Ｅ４６只滿三年，不需要此刻換,
我這裹郵購五組，自己只留一組。
如果有人需要發email: tsaicl@ms9.hinet.net 到我信箱.
和之前一樣NT$2100(幫`忙出一點DHL郵資) for M52TU ,M54 , M56 engines.
只有四組. First Come First Service.

[IronMan]

下面引用由Boxy在 2008/07/03 02:45pm 發表的內容：
老大, 小弟也是看到國外網友Rajaie 所公布的發現才開始換用~ 不是Pioneer 啦~
希望能幫上有需要的車友~

Boxy別客氣啦!你在E46車系的鑽研造福了許多車友，
又領先引進O ring修理包，刺激許多車廠進步，
你不是Pioneer，難道是panasonic? :em02: (冷~)

讓舊車恢復新車時的動力，
比起改裝些有的沒有的更有成效，
從車友的見證來看，這個O ring修理包CP值非常高，
以後有好料要趕快通知喔。

之前我的回覆大概因為貼了友站的網址被刪了。 :em14:

[Boxy]

[這篇文章最後由Boxy在 2008/07/06 08:59pm 第 1 次編輯]

各位參予第二次團購的車友, 今天剛收到美國寄來的Vanos Oring. 請於明日起可自內湖宏偉取件或安裝.
感謝各位的參予, 小弟有要求宏偉為在其安裝的車友免費更新變速箱及DME程式(若有改DME引擎軟體請先告知宏偉以免蓋過原有改裝程式 - 變速箱不影響)
另沒有在團購時報名的車友小弟有多訂幾組放在宏偉, 若有需要請直接去電洽詢.
另具美國此車友轉述 目前台灣除了第一次/第二次團購的車友, 尚有tsaicl 兄訂了五組已寄出, 還有一台灣非原廠修理廠訂了50組雙+30組單Vanos, 將於一周後寄出, 兩周後到貨.
台灣目前沒有其他人向美國網友訂購. 由於目前市場上傳出有其他廠商也有開發Vanos 組, 請於購買時確認清楚 以確保安裝零件的持久性及品質.
祝各位行車順利.
另需要寄到付的外縣市車友, 煩請看到本訊息後PM給小弟, 小弟將請宏偉汽車統一於本周寄出.
謝謝!
PS. 欲由宏偉安裝的車友, 提醒您由於小弟目前知道已有20多台車預計在宏偉施工, 請先與宏偉電話預約以節省您空等待的時間~
雙Vanos 約需 1~1.45小時, 單Vanos 需約2.5~3 小時(需要用特工拆裝)
另提醒有購買單Vanos 的車友, 由於單Vanos組是直接裝在凸輪軸上, 沒有任何傳動機構等等, 務必用特工安裝以免角度出現問題. 雖然您車上有輪軸感應器, 如稍有誤差不會有大問題, 但要是安裝角度差太多會讓進氣門直接打在活塞上~ 引擎很可能會掛點! 請自取的車友務必確認幫您施工的店家對維修BMW 引擎有深入的經驗及了解~

[Boxy]

下面引用由tsaicl在 2008/07/04 07:51pm 發表的內容：
因為我的Ｅ４６只滿三年，不需要此刻換,
我這裹郵購五組，自己只留一組。
如果有人需要發email: tsaicl@ms9.hinet.net 到我信箱.
和之前一樣NT$2100(幫`忙出一點DHL郵資) for M52TU ,M54 , M56 engines.
...

嘿嘿~ 小弟第一次訂近來換自己車時(2004)也覺得車子年分尚ok, 應該效果有限, 拆下來時基本上那條橡膠環感覺就跟ABS 的一樣.
根據美國車友轉述, 有M54 6000mile 拆開來看就已經硬化的情形來看, 建議您盡早換裝.

[阿鄧]

Boxy 大大~
收到了! 明天就來去宏偉報到!
如果時間允許的話,再當面跟您請教車子的問題^^
非常感謝Boxy 大~,這麼無私的分享~~~我只能說,有您真好!
感恩...感恩...

[andy3008]

非常感謝Boxy 大~ :em03:
明天撥空去內湖宏偉, 感恩...感恩...

[中天]

哎歐 星期六 才去換 冷氣皮帶 跟舵輪說 早點到就不用在跑一趟了說
就差一天 真雖

[sytl2003]

宏偉的店址及電話能po一下嗎?

[小小峻]

4.小小峻 單Vanos E36 M50 1組 已匯款 ,金額1050,後五碼21900
住高雄煩寄.謝謝
高雄縣仁武鄉大春街281號 朱柏峻 0911708302

[tsaicl]

非常感謝Boxy 大. You are one of Dr. BMW. Nice Gentleman.

[b114888]

[這篇文章最後由b114888在 2008/07/06 10:32pm 第 1 次編輯]

Boxy大大:
我是b114888(E34阿俊,訂購E34,歐規,M50,單可變)麻煩請幫我郵寄,地址已發短訊!!
不勝感激!!

[Boxy]

下面引用由阿鄧在 2008/07/06 03:08pm 發表的內容：
Boxy 大大~
收到了! 明天就來去宏偉報到!
如果時間允許的話,再當面跟您請教車子的問題^^
非常感謝Boxy 大~,這麼無私的分享~~~我只能說,有您真好!
...

不要客氣啦~ 小弟下周去大陸出差, 可能遇不到了~ 不過你有任何問題想找人討論不用客氣 儘管來電~

[Boxy]

下面引用由中天在 2008/07/06 04:22pm 發表的內容：
哎歐 星期六 才去換 冷氣皮帶 跟舵輪說 早點到就不用在跑一趟了說
就差一天 真雖

哈哈~ 別忘了找我跟壹週刊的去喝酒阿~
兄弟, 你上次列給我看得清單, 我有特別跟他講要算你便宜~
有空找張學友重估一下~

[Boxy]

下面引用由tsaicl在 2008/07/06 05:29pm 發表的內容：
非常感謝Boxy 大. You are one of Dr. BMW. Nice Gentleman.

希望可以盡些微薄之力~ Dr. BMW should belong to professionals. Enjoy your ride..

[Boxy]

請各位要到付的車友以PM 給小弟為主, 勿將您的連絡地址 - 很可能是您停車的地方 - po 在網路上., 混亂的時機, 盡量避免造成任何可能的困擾
謝謝！

[Boxy]

下面引用由sytl2003在 2008/07/06 04:42pm 發表的內容：
宏偉的店址及電話能po一下嗎?

台北宏緯汽車
台北市內湖舊宗路2段121巷32號
Tel 0932 010426 張學永先生
非常專業的BMW維修, 備有SSS/GT1 及各種奇怪的特工. 新地址位置方便(就在堤頂入口處, 維修完試車轉個彎就可以上堤頂撇了) 張老闆年紀與大家相近, 定時請專業bmw講師上課, 工具齊備, 價錢公道, 非常適合維修, 保養等等. 對原廠規格/procedure非常透徹, 對維修相當龜毛, 這家是目前小弟唯一願意留車過夜的修理廠